Hi, Christian:

0)    Allow me following your "towers of babel world" metaphor to tell a short story.

1)    In the ancient days, peasants labored under the shadow of the Tower, following the rules of and paid tax to the Lord living in the Tower. In return, they expected protection from the Lord against harms. (Sometime ago, I read an archaeological article reporting certain evidence that the Load somewhere in England during medieval time might have been expected to protect his peasants from any harm, including even paid his life for famine.)

2)    In the modern world, the peasants still live around the Tower following the rules, paying taxes and expecting protection from the Lord, now represented by the government agencies such as local police, FCC, FTC, DoD, DHS, etc.

3)    In the Internet era, the peasants roam everywhere around the cyberspace freely enjoying the Internet way. However, their wealth is now being siphoned out to the invisible Lords (the multi-national businesses with virtual presence in each and every Tower). However, little can be expected in return when perpetrators attack, because no Lord assumes the responsibility, nor any can be held responsible.

4)    EzIP proposes an overlay cyberspace with geographic flavor to restore the society infrastructure back to Pt. 2) above, while providing the daily services of Pt. 3). It essentially offers a parallel Internet for the peasants who can again expect protection from their local government who collects taxes, while without losing the benefits of the digital revolution.

5)    The two cyberspaces are expected to coexist and none-interfering to each other. Peasants have the freedom of choice by living in either or try both then decide.

The above is just a quick rough thought, far from polished. It is intended to be a preliminary framework so that we can hang some meat on it for starting meaningful discussions.

Regards,


Abe (2022-04-01 14:17)






On 2022-03-27 11:03, Christian de Larrinaga wrote:


On 27 March 2022 15:53:25 Brandon Butterworth <brandon@rd.bbc.co.uk> wrote:

On Sun Mar 27, 2022 at 12:31:48AM -0400, Abraham Y. Chen wrote:
EzIP proposes to deploy 240/4 
address based RANs, each tethering off the current Internet via one IPv4 
public address.

So each RAN has no possibility of redundant connections? Nobody
of scale would accept such a limitation. It also looks like an
opportunity for telcos/governments to partition their part
of the internet and impose whatever censorship they wish.

As such, the collection of RANs forms an overlay network 
layer wrapping around the current Internet core. Consequently, only the 
SPRs in the RAN need to be able to transport 240/4 addressed packets.

You previously described this as like connecting CG-NATs together via a
VPN. I don't see why we'd want to add maintaining a global VPN to
already difficult peering relationships. It could be used to exlude non
EzIP club members.

This is why we talk about enabling new (but based on existing design) 
routers to use 240/4 netblock for serving as SPRs, but not perturbing 
any routers in the current Internet.

As it's a CG-NAT variant why are you delaying yourself by requiring
new address space that will take a long time to become available? Why
not use the already allocated space for CG-NAT? Sure it's only a /10
but that's an already (probably too) large RAN.

It also seems unfeasibly optimistic that if the work was done globally
to make 240/4 useable that they'd want to dedicate it to the as yet
undeployed EzIP. You might stand more chance if you gained some
critical mass using the existing available 100.64/10 & rfc1918 space,
and then those that find they need more in one RAN will make the case
for 240/4 when it becomes necessary for them. Is 240/4 special to
EzIP such that alternative numbers may not be used?

I would like to share one intriguing graphics (see URL below) that 
is almost perfect for depicting the EzIP deployment configuration. 
Consider the blue sphere as the earth or the current Internet core and 
the golden colored land as the RANs. By connecting each continent, 
country or all the way down to a Region to the earth via one IPv4 
address, we have the EzIP configuration. With this architecture, each 
RAN looks like a private network.

That sounds an entirely undesirable goal for the internet.

brandon

It isn't the Internet. It's at best a very poorly connected spur gateway. 

Too many today don't remember the towers of Babel world prior to the Internet. If they did they'd understand that building on this type of idea is like burying yourself.... And any customers so unwise to get involved

C



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