Also, to be a little clearer, Dish’s entrance to the cellular world was a byproduct of the T-Mobile/Sprint merger. There were understandably some concerns with reducing the nationwide competitive landscape down to three carriers, so they had to agree to help prop up a replacement competitor. From: NANOG <nanog-bounces+nanog=jima.us@nanog.org> On Behalf Of blakangel@gmail.com Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2022 00:34 To: Mike Hammett <nanog@ics-il.net> Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: What say you, nanog re: Starlink vs 5G? Mike Hammett wrote on 6/24/2022 1:22 PM: It's DirecTV that became part of AT&T, but now they're separated again. Dish Network is building a nation-wide terrestrial mobile network. Supposed to be the new #4 provider. Looks like their plans just hit a snag - D.C. court confirms Dish cheated on 5G spectrum bidding, revokes $3.4 billion in credits https://www.phonearena.com/news/dish-bidding-5g-spectrum-credits-appeal_id14... Court decision on the spectrum was decided 6/21: https://www.cadc.uscourts.gov/internet/opinions.nsf/21AC89289C589E4F85258868... ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions<http://www.ics-il.com/> [Image removed by sender.]<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>[Image removed by sender.]<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>[Image removed by sender.]<https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>[Image removed by sender.]<https://twitter.com/ICSIL> Midwest Internet Exchange<http://www.midwest-ix.com/> [Image removed by sender.]<https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>[Image removed by sender.]<https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>[Image removed by sender.]<https://twitter.com/mdwestix> The Brothers WISP<http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> [Image removed by sender.]<https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>[Image removed by sender.]<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> ________________________________ From: "Owen DeLong via NANOG" <nanog@nanog.org><mailto:nanog@nanog.org> To: "Michael Thomas" <mike@mtcc.com><mailto:mike@mtcc.com> Cc: nanog@nanog.org<mailto:nanog@nanog.org> Sent: Friday, June 24, 2022 3:14:33 PM Subject: Re: What say you, nanog re: Starlink vs 5G? On Jun 24, 2022, at 13:12 , Michael Thomas <mike@mtcc.com<mailto:mike@mtcc.com>> wrote: On 6/24/22 12:38 PM, Owen DeLong wrote: On Jun 24, 2022, at 12:33 , Michael Thomas <mike@mtcc.com<mailto:mike@mtcc.com>> wrote: On 6/24/22 9:09 AM, Chris Wright wrote: The term "5G" among technical circles started vague, became better defined over the course of several years, and is becoming vague again. This nuance was never well understood in the public eye, nor by mass publications like CNN. This is a battle for 12GHz, not 5G. But is what Starlink saying true or not? It would be a pity to not have an alternative to incumbent telephants. Mike It’s not entirely clear, without knowing the technical details of the Starlink modulation scheme whether or not they could successfully share the 12Ghz spectrum. I have no reason to disbelieve their claims. Frankly, I really don’t think that Dish’s idea of providing 5G mobile service from satellites is a particularly good or beneficial one and granting them 12Ghz spectrum for this purpose is probably not really in the public interest. I thought they were land based? What I read is that being land based means that they can transmit at much higher power. I wasn’t aware that Dish had terrestrial facilities. I had forgotten their absorption into AT&T. So I retract my comments in that regard… They are a traditional telephant and I think that terrestrial 5G on 12Ghz is even less useful. OTOH, I think Starlink is most definitely an interesting product that does provide a clear path to reasonable alternatives to the incumbent telephants. Especially when you factor in mobility when they get there. No more roaming fees, all over the world. Yep… Probably one of the reasons DishT&T is trying to fight so hard to cause them grief. Owen