They seem to using access-list on their gateway routers. That would explain your problem. Mohamed Dear nanog, could someone explain to me why I can ping but traceroute seems to have problem reaching it. i.e. ping -s auth3.ipass.com. 64 bytes from holmes.ipass.com (204.198.128.102): icmp_seq=0. time=352. ms yet traceroute ... 6 s2/2-decker-hi.digisle.net (167.216.156.57) 147 ms 149 ms 148 ms 7 s2/2-decker-hi.digisle.net (167.216.156.57) 205 ms * 147 ms 8 * s2/2-decker-hi.digisle.net (167.216.156.57) 152 ms * 9 s2/2-decker-hi.digisle.net (167.216.156.57) 148 ms * 159 ms 10 * s2/2-decker-hi.digisle.net (167.216.156.57) 148 ms * 11 s2/2-decker-hi.digisle.net (167.216.156.57) 177 ms * 161 ms ... thnx in adv. tatsuya = = = = = = BEEOCB 03-3239-0607 fax 03-3239-2609 business network telecom http://www.giganet.net