Geo> Gee, it must be nice to be in the top 10% of the smart Geo> people. Why don't you suggest Valdis aim for the top 5% and Geo> figure out how Mr. Jeffrey I. Schiller manages to post using Geo> debian PGP signed messages that don't appear as attachments? Having just taken a quick look, it appears the messages you like are just plain text with PGP markup, and the ones you don't are multipart/signed. IIRC correctly any unrecognized multipart subtype is supposed to be rendered as multipart/mixed, so you should see the message fine, though the signature will probably appear as an attachment. If you're seriously suggesting that all signing of messages should be done entirely in-band within a plain-text message then, well, I disagree... And so do Microsoft (IIRC they support S/MIME) -roy