nanog: Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law. I still have to say that the Carnivore program is potentially the most disgusting domestic surveillance program ever proposed. To Hell with the 4th Ammendment, eh, FBI? I don't know what the FBI's oaths of service are, but my oaths upon entering the US Armed Forces were to protect the Constitution of the United States from all enemies, foreign and domestic. Furthermore, our motto in Special Forces is 'De Oppresso Liber' --- Liberate from Oppression. Perhaps they just want to ruffle some feathers and get some domestic resistance popping up by all of this... or on the flip-side see if the citizens actually would resist an attempt to eradicate the 4th Ammendment. I've noticed that national ammunition sales are soaring over the past few weeks. Amen! And so they should be. Carnivore needs to find a resting point before someone takes too much offense to it. And personally, I always like to use the good ole 'Meta-x spook' lisp built-in command in emacs as often as possible for just this sort of occasion. e.g.: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- NSA kibo Waco, Texas counter-intelligence smuggle DES Mossad terrorist class struggle security CIA explosion Noriega Marxist Kennedy DES genetic strategic NSA smuggle FBI World Trade Center FSF Panama SDI Honduras Ft. Meade Treasury counter-intelligence class struggle ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- For everyone who didn't know that command existed in the distribution, enjoy! ;) Love is the law, love under will. Frater M.A.Ch.H. 999 ~~~^^O^^~~~ MTH/HE/SX/TA/EN S++(*) W N+++(++) PEG++(XX) Dr+ A>++ a++ C G+ QH+++ 666++ Y++(+++) Z+