The cost of deploying MAP in CPEs is a bit higher than 464XLAT, which is not an issue anyway. There are several open source implementations for both of them. It is true that MAP avoids state in the network, however, it means higher "cost" for users in terms of restrictions of ports. It also means more IPv4 addresses even if the ports are not used. In some countries, like India, MAP was not alllowed by the regulator, because the lack of proper logging, so it was push-back by the bigger provider (probably the bigger in the world - Jio) of IPv6. At the end, if you turn on IPv6 to residential customers, typically you will get 70-80% IPv6 traffic, so the state in the NAT64 using 464XLAT is lower and lower every day. With 464XLAT there is no restriction on the number of ports per subscriber, the usage of IPv4 addresses is more efficient, and of course, you can use the same protocol in cellular networks, with also make simpler the support of backup links in CPEs (for example GPON in the primary link and 4G in the backup one). Last but not least, 464XLAT also allows enterprise networks to swich to IPv6-only (with IPv4aaS) providing a smooth transition to a final IPv6-only stage. The fact that in terms of users 464XLAT exceeds all the other transition tehcnologies all together, should mean something. There is a bunch of information at https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-v6ops-transition-comparison/, which is just waiting for the final OK from the IESG to jumpt to the final stage (RFC Editor). Regads, Jordi Saludos, Jordi @jordipalet -----Original Message----- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces+vasilenko.eduard=huawei.com@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Jared Brown Sent: Friday, March 25, 2022 4:49 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: MAP-T (was: Re: V6 still not supported) Most IPv6 transition mechanisms involve some form of (CG)NAT. After watching a NANOG presentation on MAP-T, I have a question regarding this. Why isn't MAP-T more prevalent, given that it is (almost) stateless on the provider side? Is it CPE support, the headache of moving state to the CPE, vendor support, or something else? NANOG 2017 Mapping of Address and Port using Translation MAP T: Deployment at Charter Communications https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmfYHCpfr_w - Jared ********************************************** IPv4 is over Are you ready for the new Internet ? http://www.theipv6company.com The IPv6 Company This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or confidential. The information is intended to be for the exclusive use of the individual(s) named above and further non-explicilty authorized disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, even if partially, including attached files, is strictly prohibited and will be considered a criminal offense. If you are not the intended recipient be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, even if partially, including attached files, is strictly prohibited, will be considered a criminal offense, so you must reply to the original sender to inform about this communication and delete it.