Responses in-line
On Aug 26, 2020, at 4:07 PM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via NANOG <nanog@nanog.org> wrote:
Because:
1) It needs *much less* IPv4 addresses (in the NAT64) for the same number of customers.
I cannot see how this is even possible. If I use private space internally to the CGN, then the available external space is the same and the internal customers are the same and I can do the same over sub ratio under both circumstance. Tell me how the math is different.
2) It provides the customers as many ports they need (no a limited number of ports per customer).
See response to answer 1
3) It is not blocked by PSN (don't know why because don't know how the games have problems with CGN).
Interesting, but I’m not sure how any over-loaded NAT translation would look different from the external system. Since you cannot explain it, it’s hard to discuss it.
You could share among an *almost unlimited* number of subscribers an small IPv4 block (even just a /22).
The math would be the same as a CGN, so I do not see how this is any less or more useful. It does, however, require CPE capability that appears lacking and NAT444 does not.
Regards, Jordi @jordipalet
El 26/8/20 22:31, "Brian Johnson" <brian.johnson@netgeek.us> escribió:
How does 464XLAT solve the problem if you are out of IPv4 space?
On Aug 26, 2020, at 3:23 PM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via NANOG <nanog@nanog.org> wrote:
They know we are there ... so they don't come!
By the way I missed this in the previous email: I heard (not sure how much true on that) that they are "forced" to avoid CGN because the way games are often programmed in PSP break them. So maybe will not be enough to sort out the problem with an OS and/or PSN change, all the affected games, will need to be adjusted.
Maybe the only way to force this is to tell our customers (many ISPs in every country) "don't buy Sony PS, they are unable to support new technologies, so you games will be blocked by Sony". Of course, unless we all decide to use 464XLAT instead of CGN ... which resolves the problem.
A massive campaing could work ...
El 26/8/20 22:08, "NANOG en nombre de surfer" <nanog-bounces+jordi.palet=consulintel.es@nanog.org en nombre de surfer@mauigateway.com> escribió:
On 8/26/20 9:28 AM, Tony Wicks wrote:
They're the worst service company I have ever had the displeasure of dealing with, the arrogance and attitude of we are big, you are small we don't care about your customers was infuriating. Never have I seen a single call related to their opposition where as PSN accounted for about 10-20% of helpdesk calls. I don't understand why its seemingly impossible for them to implement ipv6 as almost everything I have deployed with CGN is dual stack V6.
On 8/26/20 9:30 AM, Mark Tinka wrote:
We'll have to be creative with how we pressure them into getting serious about IPv6.
Do those guys attend NANOG meetings? >;-) (evil smile)
scott
********************************************** IPv4 is over Are you ready for the new Internet ? http://www.theipv6company.com The IPv6 Company
This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or confidential. The information is intended to be for the exclusive use of the individual(s) named above and further non-explicilty authorized disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, even if partially, including attached files, is strictly prohibited and will be considered a criminal offense. If you are not the intended recipient be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, even if partially, including attached files, is strictly prohibited, will be considered a criminal offense, so you must reply to the original sender to inform about this communication and delete it.
********************************************** IPv4 is over Are you ready for the new Internet ? http://www.theipv6company.com The IPv6 Company
This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or confidential. The information is intended to be for the exclusive use of the individual(s) named above and further non-explicilty authorized disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, even if partially, including attached files, is strictly prohibited and will be considered a criminal offense. If you are not the intended recipient be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, even if partially, including attached files, is strictly prohibited, will be considered a criminal offense, so you must reply to the original sender to inform about this communication and delete it.