Hi, Tom:

1)    " ... it has serious deficiencies. ...  ":    Could you please be specific? Branding something without qualifying information is unprofessional.

Regards,

Abe (2022-03-17 13:18)

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NANOG Digest, Vol 170, Issue 19


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Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2022 08:28:36 -0400
From: Tom Beecher <beecher@beecher.cc>
To: Greg Skinner <gregskinner0@icloud.com>
Cc: bzs@theworld.com,  "North American Network Operators' Group"
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No quibble about the discussion happening on a NOG list, not at all.

But frankly unless the proposal is even starting to move forward in the
IETF process such that a standards change is possible, it's just noise. ( I
don't predict that the draft being discussed ever gets that far anyways ;
it has serious deficiencies.)

On Sat, Mar 12, 2022 at 6:53 PM Greg Skinner via NANOG <nanog@nanog.org>
wrote:

I agree.  iMO, this 240/4 issue is another one of those tussles in
cyberspace
<https://david.choffnes.com/classes/cs4700fa14/papers/tussle.pdf>.   But
I don?t fault IETF people or anyone else who pursues technical solutions to
these types of problems as long as they are open and honest about the
limitations of these solutions.

Also, IMO, the value of having a discussion about this issue here (and
other NOG forums) is to get the perspective of people who (generally
speaking) deal more immediately with the problems the broader ?online"
population has with IETF-based technology.

?gregbo

On Mar 8, 2022, at 9:25 PM, bzs@theworld.com wrote:


I'm beginning to wonder if the internet will survive the ipv6 adoption
debates.

Here's the real problem which you all can promptly ignore:

The IETF et al are full of bright technical people who can design
protocols, packet formats, etc.

But many of the major problems facing the internet are not, at their
core, engineering problems.

They're in the realm of social, legal, marketing, politics, int'l
policy, governance, law enforcement, commerce, economics, sociology,
psychology, etc. which TBH as bright as many of the engineers et al
are these problems are way beyond their ken, occasional polymath
excepted.

But first you have to admit you have a problem, and limitations.

Shouting at the rafters about address space depletion etc while waving
RFCs may not quite do it.

Similar can be said about spam, malware attacks, phishing, etc.

Yet another cryptographic protocol probably won't save the day but as
the expression goes when all you have is a hammer the whole world
looks like a nail.

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       -Barry Shein

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