I think sabotage implies intent.

Even the most incompetent crew of an ocean going vessel knows if their anchor has dropped. And if by chance that's happened, they don't drag it around for a few hundred miles before they stop and pull it back in again. 

On Thu, Nov 21, 2024 at 10:58 AM Mike Hammett <nanog@ics-il.net> wrote:

I think sabotage implies intent.

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From: "Daniel Golding" <dgolding@gmail.com>
To: "Mark Tinka" <mark@tinka.africa>
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2024 9:41:31 AM
Subject: Re: 2 undersea cables cut

I'm not sure what hard evidence you might like. There are a small number of methods by which submarine cables become damaged - anchors are right up there. In this particular case, there aren't a lot of other possibilities. 

There are only two cable repair ships. It will be a while before there can be forensic examination. 

Dan

On Thu, Nov 21, 2024 at 10:29 AM Mark Tinka <mark@tinka.africa> wrote:

On 11/21/24 14:43, Emile Aben wrote:

On Tue, 19 Nov 2024 at 10:43, Hank Nussbacher <hank@efes.iucc.ac.il> wrote:

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/11/18/europe/undersea-cable-disrupted-germany-finland-intl/index.html

-Hank

We looked into how RIPE Atlas saw these cable cuts: https://labs.ripe.net/author/emileaben/does-the-internet-route-around-damage-baltic-sea-cable-cuts/ . I hope this audience finds that interesting.

The rumours floating around about this being sabotage, with no hard evidence supporting such claims, is pretty wild.

Mark.