Hey James, That's the worst part in all this, so many been with me for years! I just put my fate into companies I shouldn't have. NLayer was bought and Liteup held control of the SF pop, who is fully at the mercy of NLayer / ServerCentral. WVFiber was bought by Host.NET and Randy simply made a choice. And David from PIE I knew who he was from others but hey he has been at the datacenter with me for a number of years, so I gave him the benefit of the doubt. Spamhaus a few days ago added his IP's as a /22. And surprise surprise now it's a /32! http://www.spamhaus.org/sbl/sbl.lasso?query=SBL67906 David didn't even have the balls to contact me and let me know what happened. Has ignored any phone calls, etc. Just told him router admin not to do anything without his approval. In fact his technician acted at first as he didn't know what happened. Just need to put all this behind me. Thanks! Contact: Emil Kacperski Company: Intercage Inc. - Atrivo Dedicated Servers San Francisco Datacenter E-Mail: emil@intercage.com Phone: 925-550-3947 ICQ: 23531098