Does Cogent participate in the meetings/shows like the one coming up next week ? Would that not be a good place for NANOGers to voice their opinion? ----------------------------------------------------------- Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of "Learn RouterOS" -----Original Message----- From: Jimmy Hess [mailto:mysidia@gmail.com] Sent: June 09, 2011 7:56 AM To: Saku Ytti Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Cogent & HE On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 3:39 AM, Saku Ytti <saku@ytti.fi> wrote:
On (2011-06-09 00:55 -0700), Owen DeLong wrote:
I look forward for IPv4 to go away, as in future I can have full free connectivity through HE to every other shop who all have full free connectivity to HE. Something went terribly wrong in IPv4 land, where we're being unfairly forced to pay to access other networks through them.
The existence of free IPv6 transit from one peer to another is clearly a temporary situation; when IPv6 traffic picks up, expect to see the end of free transit, or a new rule like "free transit only to our paying customers' networks", or "Pay an extra port fee, get first XX megs transit for free". It's obvious HE wishes to get positioning as Tier1 on the IPv6 network. Once the amount of IPv6 traffic increases, $$ required for HE to provide transit between free peers will increase, and at some amount of traffic free transit will no longer be sustainable, due to additional network upgrades, ports, etc, required to carry additional transit. So they either lose massive $$, become a non-profit organization, and get sufficient donations from peers to fund upgrades, or at some point, limit the amount of (or type) of transit that is free, or stop adding peers. An assumption is that there will be such a thing as a Tier1 on the IPv6 network. Perhaps, the fact there are ISPs larger than all the others and the IP protocol suite tends to form a hierarchical structure logically, BUT There exists a possibility that no IPv6 network will be able to achieve transit-free status through peering; evidently, it just takes one large arrogant network operator to demand everyone else buy transit, in order to prevent any Tier1s from completely becoming Tier1 (and ironically -- preventing themselves from being classified Tier1, due to refusing to peer with HE). Unless you know... the operational definition of Tier1 is relaxed greatly to allow for partial connectivity; reaching 50% of the networks without transit does not make one Tier1. -- -JH