In the context of Montreal, to clarify, when you say Zayo are you referring to Zayo Canada (former AT&T Canada/MTS-Allstream), or AS6461, the original Abovenet AS which is Zayo USA's IP transit network? On Wed, Feb 17, 2021 at 11:17 AM Eric Dugas via NANOG <nanog@nanog.org> wrote:
The details you mentioned about Cogent and HE are still right.
I'm managing an eyeball network and have Cogent in our blend but I also have three other Tier1s and VERY extensive peering (public and private). We have (from the cheapest to most expensive) Cogent, Telia, Zayo and Tata. I have to mention that we're based in Montreal so less choices compared to your market. The only two other Tier1s available in Montrea is GTT and Lumen/CL/Level3.
Cogent: difficult relations, good service overall Telia: excellent relations, good service overall Tata: good relations, good service overall Zayo: difficult relations, good service overall
Eric
On Feb 17 2021, at 1:49 pm, Mike Hammett <nanog@ics-il.net> wrote:
This is from the perspective of an eyeball network. I understand that content networks would have different objectives and reasons. For instance, I have little to no reason as an eyeball network to exchange traffic with any other eyeball network (aside from P2P games). For a content network, getting into the eyeball networks is their objective.
My crystal ball tells me this thread will spiral out of control because people won't be able to keep it on topic, but it is a question that I hear VERY often. I also expect a lot of purely bad or outdated information to get thrown out.
Please try to keep it on topic and not being pedantic over relatively unimportant details.
There are two major low-cost providers, Cogent and HE.
Cogent
- Refuses to peer IPv6 with HE - Refuses to peer IPv6 with Google - Aggressive sales tactics
Hurricane
- Doesn't have Cogent IPv6 because of Cogent's refusal - Lack of communities for anything other than blackholes
I know there are a variety of other providers such as Fusion Network that operate at similar price points, but are available in way fewer locations.
What else is out there? Anyone else that isn't 5x, 10x the cost?
Cogent and HE get looked down upon (and sometimes deservedly so), but when I talk to someone trying to sell me a port in 350 Cermak for 8x the cost of Cogent and HE, you better have a very good argument for why you're worth it... and they never do. "We're not Cogent." "and?" Many times I'm quoted transit that costs more than Cogent + IX + HE and they don't really have a good argument for it.
As an eyeball, I join an IX and there goes 50% - 85% of my traffic and almost all of my traffic that anyone is going to notice or complain about if there are issues (video streaming).
I do understand that enterprise eyeballs may have different requirements.
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