I would think this is only an issue if they throw out the Fourth in that when they use that data collected "inadvertantly" to build a case a against you they use no other data collected under a proper warrent. If the purpose was to actually collect data on you, in the event you do something , they can simply run a query against this data post court order...then that's crossing the line. I personally think there is nothing wrong with monitoring US communications - big difference between monitoring US communications and monitoring US persons communications. On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 8:56 AM, Dan White <dwhite@olp.net> wrote:
On 06/09/13 11:10 -0500, Dan White wrote:
Let me put my gold tipped tinfoil hat on in response to your statement.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/**world/2013/jun/20/fisa-court-** nsa-without-warrant<http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/20/fisa-court-nsa-without-warrant>
If accurate, this is extremely concerning:
Top secret documents submitted to the court that oversees surveillance by US intelligence agencies show the judges have signed off on broad orders which allow the NSA to make use of information "inadvertently" collected from domestic US communications without a warrant.
The documents show that even under authorities governing the collection of foreign intelligence from foreign targets, US communications can still be collected, retained and used.
...However, alongside those provisions, the Fisa court-approved policies allow the NSA to:
• Keep data that could potentially contain details of US persons for up to five years;
Retain and make use of "inadvertently acquired" domestic communications if they contain usable intelligence, information on criminal activity, threat of harm to people or property, are encrypted, or are believed to contain any information relevant to cybersecurity;
All protections afforded by the fourth amendment have essentially been thrown into the (rather large) bit bucket by the FISA court, when it comes to any bits which leave your premise.
-- Dan White
-- Phil Fagan Denver, CO 970-480-7618