looks pretty much an L(3) issue, as i can get there from tokyo via iij to i2 traceroute 128.223.51.20 traceroute to 128.223.51.20 (128.223.51.20), 64 hops max, 52 byte packets 1 wrt-tokyo.rg.net (192.168.0.1) 1.943 ms 1.790 ms 1.151 ms 2 tokyo10-n427.flets.2iij.net (203.180.20.65) 5.825 ms 6.462 ms 6.560 ms 3 tokyo10-ntteast1.flets.2iij.net (203.180.20.245) 6.449 ms 6.446 ms 5.401 ms 4 tky001lip31.iij.net (203.180.20.101) 5.597 ms 5.449 ms 5.731 ms 5 tky001bb11.iij.net (210.138.115.213) 6.875 ms 5.986 ms 5.823 ms 6 lax002bb12.iij.net (58.138.88.150) 121.104 ms 117.711 ms 117.510 ms 7 lsan0.tr-cps.internet2.edu (206.223.123.199) 117.510 ms 132.285 ms 128.119 ms 8 * * * 9 vl-2.uonet2-gw.uoregon.edu (128.223.2.2) 146.497 ms 145.453 ms vl-2-gw.uoregon.edu (128.223.2.1) 145.187 ms 10 archive.routeviews.org (128.223.51.20) 144.701 ms 144.539 ms 145.096 ms but my smtp-out is trying to get there from ashburn to L(3). so someone else might tell john kemp to call L(3). randy