On Jul 11, 2023, at 12:40 PM, Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com> wrote:


On Jul 11, 2023, at 09:04, John Curran <jcurran@arin.net> wrote:

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Of course, further policy clarity (whether to make clear that it does apply to non-connectivity reassignments or to make clear it does not apply beyond downstream customers) would be most welcome; I believe you are already aware of the policy proposal submission process if you want to propose updating it accordingly.

All of the organizations I know of that are leasing space apply the term downstream as it pertains to the issuance of the addresses regardless of the connectivity relationship.

That may be the case, but since the earliest days of ARIN the term “downstream” has been used by this operator community to refer to customer connectivity, so we’ll maintain current usage until directed otherwise by the community. 

I suppose policy clarity here could be useful,

Indeed.

… but I suspect that just like ISPs, the situation will basically boil down to “those that want to comply will do so in good faith and others will not.”

That is also up to the community, as there is an obvious tradeoff between enforcement and registry accuracy – if the community wishes more accuracy in the registry, there needs to be clarity in policy regarding what actions ARIN should take with respect to non-compliance. 

Thanks!
/John

John Curran
President and CEO
American Registry for Internet Numbers