Hey, Are you having trouble emailing them, or them to you. I think this thread is about emails coming from hotmail never reaching the destinations. What type of problems are you having with these companies? /r ________________________________________ From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [owner-nanog@merit.edu] On Behalf Of Fox, Thomas [tfox@expertsmi.com] Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 10:37 AM Cc: nanog@merit.edu Subject: RE: Hotmail NOC Contact In the last 10 days or so, ever since ORDB re-activated itself and blacklisted everything, we have had deliverability problems to: MSN Hotmail Bellsouth AT&T (the same as Bellsouth I think) Yahoo Detroit Edison In the case of MSN and Hotmail, they told us they were using Symantec’s Brightmail filtering system. So, does that mean Brightmail is not updating their system properly, or MSN/Hotmail is not updating their Brightmail? Seems like a huge waste of everyone’s time because some LARGE network operators can’t keep their stuff updated. *grumble*