It seems like it's taking more time to discuss it than it actually would take to create a nanog-outage list. Maybe it's not being done because doing so would be threatening to a lot of people. Having a large sounding board for outages will make it very difficult for larger providers to cover up outages. Having a web archive of postings during the outages will make it harder for people to forget those outages after they're corrected. Seeing lots of [reported/speculated] outages on a web archive from a larger NSP/ISP might make that network look bad, even though a large network might have a small percentage of outages when measured against the number of customers it serves. Furthermore, when someone does something stupid, it will be harder too forget/ignore the lessons learned. I'm sure that's bound to make someone feel threatened. ;-) And last but not least: nanog-outage may become more operationally relevant than this list. :-) -Jerry