I'm sorry, but this entire discussion is predicated on half-truths and nonsense spewing out of the CF team. It's a shame too, as they're usually great community minded folks who are well respected around here. No matter how you define the CloudFlare service, that they can claim ignorance due to "common carrier" passthrough is preposterous, especially given their purported knowledge of what's going on. Likewise if the booter sites were connected to any other CDN, WAF/proxy, public cloud provider, etc. Call it what you want, but at the end of the day, they're providing connectivity and keeping the storefront online. Want the problem stopped? Easy, stop it at the source by denying them service. Every service provider (or its upstream at some point) has an AUP which prevents the service from being used for illegal purposes. Telling NANOG members that they don't understand the nature of the CF service, and that they should somehow get a pass, is dishonest. That they're keeping these criminals online at the requirement of the FBI? Anyone who's actually worked with law enforcement can tell you that the first rule of fight club is to NOT talk about it, especially if you're under gag order. A more likely story is they're just doing this for the attention, and basking in it, kind of like a certain blog post suggesting they pioneered the practice of configuring hosts with LACP for throughput and HA. If Justin/Matthew/Martin/etc. are listening, I implore you to do the right thing and stop providing service to criminals. Full stop, without caving in to your very talented marketing department. And to everyone else, I'd ask you to do what you think is right, and treat CloudFlare's anycasted IP blocks as you would any other network harboring criminal activity and security risk to the detriment of your customers. (Is Team CYMRU listening?) Much like the original spam problem in the 90s, the collateral damage might be annoying at first, but the end will justify the means. Drive Slow (like a souped up Supra), Paul Wall On Wed, Jul 27, 2016 at 10:48 PM, Randy Bush <randy@psg.com> wrote:
They just lost all respect from here. Would someone from USA please report these guys to the feds? What they are doing is outright criminal.
hyperbole. it is not criminal. you just don't happen to like it.