It simply is not common and will not become common. Not everyone is a network engineer. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Medcalf" <kmedcalf@dessus.com> To: nanog@nanog.org Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2015 10:06:26 PM Subject: RE: Nat You can lead a horse to water, but you cannot make it drink. If people choose to be the authors of their own misfortunes, that is their choice. I know a good many folks who are not members of NANOG yet have multiple separate L2 and L3 networks to keep the "crap" isolated.
-----Original Message----- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces+kmedcalf=dessus.com@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Sunday, 20 December, 2015 20:37 Cc: North American Network Operators Group Subject: Re: Nat
We can't get people to use passwords judiciously (create them at all for WiFi, change them, use more than one, etc.) and now you want them to manage networks?
----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
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From: "Randy Fischer" <randy.fischer@gmail.com> To: "Mike Hammett" <nanog@ics-il.net> Cc: "North American Network Operators Group" <nanog@nanog.org> Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2015 9:34:16 PM Subject: Re: Nat
On Sun, Dec 20, 2015 at 10:15 PM, Mike Hammett < nanog@ics-il.net > wrote:
Most people couldn't care less and just want the Internet on their device to work.
Well, if the best practice for CPE routers included as a matter of course the subnets "connected to internet", "local only (e.g. IoT)" and "guest network", and if they just worked, then they wouldn't mind that either.
A friend of mine used to refer to this as 'refrigerator consciousness" - he was a gearhead, so it was a pejorative. Instead, I think of it as a design goal.
-Randy Fischer