On Sep 8, 2020, at 1:06 PM, Mike Hammett via NANOG <nanog@nanog.org> wrote:Is there more desire to be flexible because people are snowflakes and their idea is the only way it should be or real, document-able reasons?
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
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http://www.midwest-ix.comFrom: "Tom Beecher" <beecher@beecher.cc>
To: "Mike Hammett" <nanog@ics-il.net>
Cc: "NANOG" <nanog@nanog.org>, "Douglas Fischer" <fischerdouglas@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2020 3:02:37 PM
Subject: Re: BGP Community - AS0 is de-facto "no-export-to" marker - Any ASN reserved to "export-only-to"?'I also get that intent from the OP. However I disagree that there should be a 'de facto' standard created for such things. All flavors of BGP community specifications are designed to be flexible so that different networks can design a system that is tailored to their needs.Having 'de facto' standards does not simplify in my opinion. I believe it just creates more work for operators trying to navigate around different opinions of what 'de facto' means.On Tue, Sep 8, 2020 at 2:35 PM Mike Hammett <nanog@ics-il.net> wrote:How I see the OP's intent is to create a BCP of what defined communities have what effect instead of everyone just making up whatever they draw out of a hat, simplifying this process for everyone.
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Mike Hammett
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http://www.midwest-ix.comFrom: "Tom Beecher via NANOG" <nanog@nanog.org>
To: "Douglas Fischer" <fischerdouglas@gmail.com>
Cc: "NANOG" <nanog@nanog.org>
Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2020 1:30:19 PM
Subject: Re: BGP Community - AS0 is de-facto "no-export-to" marker - Any ASN reserved to "export-only-to"?'BGP Large Communities ( https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8195 ) already provides for anyone to define the exact handling you wish.On Tue, Sep 8, 2020 at 11:57 AM Douglas Fischer via NANOG <nanog@nanog.org> wrote:Most of us have already used some BGP community policy to no-export some routes to some where.
On the majority of IXPs, and most of the Transit Providers, the very common community tell to route-servers and routers "Please do no-export these routes to that ASN" is:-> 0:<TargetASN>So we could say that this is a de-facto standard.But the Policy equivalent to "Please, export these routes only to that ASN" is very varied on all the IXPs or Transit Providers.With that said, now comes some questions:
1 - Beyond being a de-facto standard, there is any RFC, Public Policy, or something like that, that would define 0:<TargetASN> as "no-export-to" standard?2 - What about reserving some 16-bits ASN to use <ExpOnlyTo>:<TargetASN> as "export-only-to" standard?2.1 - Is important to be 16 bits, because with (RT) extended communities, any ASN on the planet could be the target of that policy.2.2 - Would be interesting some mnemonic number like 1000 / 10000 or so.--Douglas Fernando Fischer
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