On Nov 19, 2024, at 13:35, Noah <noah@neo.co.tz> wrote:
On Tue, Nov 19, 2024 at 12:36 PM Noah <noah@neo.co.tz> wrote:
> On Tue, 19 Nov 2024, 22:44 Owen DeLong, <owen@delong.com> wrote:
>> They really aren’t. Contrary to the theories you keep pushing, they are
>> businesses. They are not state agencies or quasi state agencies.
>> They are not granted enforcement powers or any extraordinary
>> legislative or judicial powers. They are run of the mill not-for-profit businesses.
>
> A business has private or public shareholders or stockholders who
> once all taxes have been deducted on the legal entity's annual revenue
> or bottomline .. the stockholders then enjoys dividends through board resolutions.
Noah,
You are correct that a non-profit organization does not have owners
and thus does not produce profits for distribution to owners. Instead,
it has a board of directors with a legal duty to assure it operates
consistent with its non-profit mission.
Indeed...
Owen is correct that in every other respect, a non-profit organization
functions like any ordinary business.
Bill,
For the purposes of regulatory compliances, an NGO ought to ensure it meets its statutory liabilies just like any legal entity.
However, referring to the RIRs system as a cartel is misleading. We are choosing to throw the word cartel around as if the RIR lack accountability and operate without oversight yet we all here are members of such RIRs and we as a community have participated in the policy development processes that bore the rules of engagement for which the RIR system have operated-in for decades.
It turns out that this is the case. There is, at present, no mechanism for the NRO, the community, or the membership to reign in the actions or gain accountability over one of the five RIRs and no mechanism for revoking its accreditation or function as an RIR and transferring that critical role to any other entity. Instead, one man without mandate or authority continues to purport to be in charge of that RIR and run it as he sees fit. The entity in question has not a single board member, no CEO and has acted in violation of multiple court orders.
The entire purpose of this consultation is to correct the lack of foresight that led to this current state.
The administrators or if you will staff/employees of these RIR's run them based on bylaws/constitutions that resource members have enacted. The policies each RIR follows to manage number resources in each region came to be through community consensus through the policy development processes that are open to public participation.
That is an act of blind faith. It’s worked out ok by and large because most of those staff have been ethical, honest, and dedicated employees providing exemplary service to their communities. Unfortunately, one exceptional case has created tremendous problems which continue to go unresolved for years at this point, clearly pointing out some flaws in the accountability and oversight processes in the current system.
How then can some of you claim that the RIRs are some sort of cartel.
I’ll leave this to the previously posted answers by Lee Howard and Bill Herrin as I believe they covered the topic well.
Are we saying that we the resource members who agreed on a constitutions for managing these organizations and go on to bankroll the systems through membership fees together with the wider internet communities who decide on the rules of engagement through the PDP, created cartels organizations in concert through our collective actions?
Yes. Yes, we did. To make matters worse, at least one of those organizations has gone rogue and there is no current mechanism for addressing that issue other than waiting for it to work through the courts of Mauritius and eventually the privy council in London.
Yes, we made these errors and this consultation is an effort to consider ways to address them.
Owen