Well, the monthly MAPS/ORBS nonsense has pretty much run its course. Our thanks to the trolls for starting up this silliness so soon after it ended last month. Let's boil it down, shall we? 1. MAPS is a list generated to prevent spammers from sending mail to ONE network. They are not judge, jury, and executioner. They allow other network administrators to subscribe to the RBL, RSS and DUL as they see fit. Those admins do so by choice, not because they were strong-armed into doing it. It is not ONE person trying to rule e-mail on the internet (you're thinking of Alan Brown and ORBS). It is THOUSANDS of network admins choosing not to allow rogue networks to spam them. 2. This ridiculous debate keeps getting dredged up every 1-2 months because some whiny brat of a network admin doesn't feel like they should play by the same rules everyone else does. And the reason for it is because their network allows spam to transverse it - even after they've been notified and given time to fix it. So they ended up in the blackhole list. Therefore, for the sake of sanity, and bandwidth, and mail server load: "You anti-MAPS troll baiters are a bunch of %^$@& NAZIS!" There. You win. Now go away. As for mitch@netside.net... *plonk* Don't bother responding - my script now permanently deletes any e-mail to you or from you before I see it. -- Scott ========================== Scott Raymond LinkAmerica Communications http://soundamerica.com ==========================