Is the network situation from May-2004 described here.. http://lists.samba.org/archive/rsync/2004-May/009459.html ..possibly repeating itself? I can traceroute to sources.redhat.com (aka sourceware.org aka cygwin.com) from VA via alter.net, but not from stanford.edu via ucaid.edu & ncren.net. anyone have any clues as to what's going on? thanks, JeffH stanford.edu[41]> traceroute sources.redhat.com traceroute to sources.redhat.com (12.107.209.250), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets 1 171.64.20.1 (171.64.20.1) 0.955 ms 0.884 ms 0.545 ms 2 bbr2-rtr (171.64.1.161) 0.457 ms 0.466 ms 0.436 ms 3 hpr1-rtr (171.64.1.131) 1.165 ms 1.052 ms 0.979 ms 4 hpr-svl-hpr--stan-ge.cenic.net (137.164.27.161) 1.311 ms 1.373 ms 1.171 ms 5 lax-hpr--svl-hpr-10ge.cenic.net (137.164.25.12) 8.754 ms 8.862 ms 8.817 ms 6 abilene-LA--hpr-lax-gsr1-10ge.cenic.net (137.164.25.3) 9.207 ms 9.069 ms 8.924 ms 7 hstnng-losang.abilene.ucaid.edu (198.32.8.22) 50.405 ms 40.517 ms 40.459 ms 8 atlang-hstnng.abilene.ucaid.edu (198.32.8.34) 60.384 ms 60.848 ms 64.189 ms 9 washng-atlang.abilene.ucaid.edu (198.32.8.66) 76.186 ms 75.836 ms 76.271 ms 10 rlgh1-gw-abilene-oc48.ncren.net (198.86.17.65) 83.146 ms 82.987 ms 83.112 ms 11 rlgh7600-gw-to-rlgh1-gw.ncren.net (128.109.70.38) 83.576 ms 83.658 ms 83.548 ms 12 ncsu7600-gw-to-rlgh7600-gw.ncren.net (128.109.70.26) 83.941 ms 84.702 ms 83.651 ms 13 * * * 14 * * * 15 * * * 16 * * * 17 * * * 18 * * * 19 * * * 20 * * * 21 * * * 22 * * * 23 * * * 24 * * * 25 * * * 26 * * * 27 * * * 28 * * * 29 * * * 30 * * * [neustar.com internal network hops elided] 5 114 ms 84 ms 106 ms stih7206.va.neustar.com [209.173.53.232] 6 253 ms 180 ms 84 ms 500.Serial4-0-3.GW1.TCO4.ALTER.NET [65.195.225.2 13] 7 161 ms 185 ms 248 ms 0.so-4-0-0.XL2.TCO4.ALTER.NET [152.63.33.242] 8 163 ms 168 ms 119 ms 0.so-3-0-0.XL2.DCA5.ALTER.NET [152.63.38.150] 9 146 ms 94 ms 143 ms 0.so-6-1-0.BR2.DCA5.ALTER.NET [152.63.48.21] 10 208 ms 201 ms 206 ms 204.255.169.2 11 108 ms 126 ms 157 ms tbr2-p011901.wswdc.ip.att.net [12.123.9.118] 12 177 ms 129 ms 115 ms gar1-p370.rlgnc.ip.att.net [12.122.3.61] 13 217 ms 225 ms 188 ms 12.119.93.62 14 208 ms 233 ms 233 ms sourceware.org [12.107.209.250]