There are a couple of other things that might bear discussion based on some recent public revelations of not-so-new information. -- Security problems operators can fix [or, how to let your customers be used to break into interesting places] (route announcement filtering vs. routing attacks outbound packet filters on CPE routers vs. spoofing attacks like the ones CERT announced recently) This could go fairly quickly. -- Routing flaps considered harmful [or, how to kill half the Internet with one rapidly- oscillating circuit] (many routers are having problems CPU-wise processing the number of route-flaps seen these days. BGP to single-homed internets exacerbates this; so does any type of unnecessary dynamic routing. On Ciscos, leaving seriously-flapping links up and running when they can affect worldwide NLRI is bad news. Aggregation helps.) | 2) technical presentation on what is a route server Is this going to be from an RA/RS perspective? If so, some talk about converting extremely complicated policy now embedded in border Ciscos to something that can be put into the RA/RSes would be neato. (Also what that policy ought to be in very broad terms ("NAP/MAE technical etiquette") might be useful as a short side-line talk.) [or, Peter Lothberg politely questions the current implementation's utility] | 5) end-to-end problem resolution - is it possible? Can we make this last? I suspect that this could get quite angry if we're not careful... :( [or, "it's been three hours since we sent email and we haven't gotten a response from you. this is a recording." vs. "it's your fault, fix it." vs. "" or, some really good ideas that organizations of all sorts have for customer support in the face of problems that can't be fixed or even diagnosed locally or, Miss Manners's guide to excruciatingly correct inter-carrier relations (aka, the "NOC etiquette handbook") or, "No sales talks, please, we're operators". :)] | 7) ATM testbed results Can we put this immediately before lunch? Trust me. :-) [or, "Curtis says, "ATM is *amazing*" followed by murmurs of agreement. Politics at eleven."] I might think of a few other things if we have too few agenda. Sean.