More like do whatever you want in your own house as long as you don't infringe upon others. The argument against route optimizers (assuming appropriate ingress\egress filters) is a religious one and should be treated as such. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP ----- Original Message ----- From: "Töma Gavrichenkov" <ximaera@gmail.com> To: "Mike Hammett" <nanog@ics-il.net> Cc: "NANOG" <nanog@nanog.org>, "Dimeji Fayomi" <oof1@students.waikato.ac.nz> Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2019 9:53:46 AM Subject: Re: Performance metrics used in commercial BGP route optimizers On Tue, Jul 16, 2019, 5:49 PM Mike Hammett < nanog@ics-il.net > wrote: Most of which are bunk if you and your upstream have appropriate filters. True, and, while we're at it, it's okay to drink and drive a car if the manufacturer has built enough driver assistance systems in it. -- Töma