(resending as I sent it incorrectly the first time; apology for the duplicate for those that see it twice) Dear Lorenzo, I'd like to publicly apologize for my behaviour last night. It has been rightly pointed out to me in private that I crossed several lines in my response to the debate yesterday, and for that I am truly sorry. I crossed the streams, by bringing material from an unrelated forum into the NANOG thread--material that was posted from a different account for a different purpose. That had no place on NANOG, and I do apologize for dredging it up. I engaged in an ad-glandulum attack as part of the debate, which was a low blow. I have absolutely *nothing* against your genitals whatsoever, I promise. I will leave them out of any future discussions. The level of mud-slinging I sank to was more appropriate for an IETF mailing list, not for NANOG; the people here deserve better, and I apologize to everyone for that shameless outburst. It has been pointed out that your desire here was to gather operational input and engage in an open dialogue on a personal basis. I failed to recognize that, and attacked you instead of listening. That was wrong of me, and if you do still have an interest in discussing the needs of network operators, I will do so in an open and respectful mode, and will leave any mention of specific companies out of the discussion. Again, I am truly sorry for my inappropriate outburst last night, and hope it did not prevent a truly open discussion about the needs of network operators. Sincerely, Matthew Petach