Sorry this was delayed... had some problems with being subscribed to nanog-post under genuity.com vs. genuity.net. Hopefully, this'll go through. -kjc On 9 Jan 2003, Paul Vixie wrote:
pete@kruckenberg.com (Pete Kruckenberg) writes:
Is there anything happening with collaborative security policy and remediation in the industry? Has any effort showed progress towards an effective ISAC or similar? Can networks realistically collaborate on security, or do the political and operational barriers not justify the effort?
i think that kelly cooper's ISP ISAC was doomed in spite of kelly's excellent efforts, simply because the ISP community is too large. an IP Broadband ISAC, and an IP Longhaul ISAC, and an IP Hosting ISAC, and other small/focused isacs, could yet fly.
Thank you for the props Paul, but I think it was more an issue of money. Just for the record (because I've gotten several private emails on this) there is no ISP-ISAC. It is not an entity, a company, or even an organized group of like-minded ISPs. The project to create the ISP-ISAC is currently on hold. Funding has been the main issue, so [ BIG HINT ] if anyone wants to jump up and offer to fund it, I've got the entire proposed infrastructure documented and ready for non-profit incorporation, plus several ISPs willing to be founding members. (You maybe be asking yourself, what's the funding for? I've said this before, but it bears repeating. Having worked on ISP-to-ISP cooperation both formally and informally for 7 years now, I can say that the main lesson I've learned is that the coordination needs to be someone's job. Not something they do when they have time, as a subset of their real job, that gets deprioritized when a local emergency comes up. A real job, full-time. And something I've noticed is that ISPs don't really trust one another, so the job has to be ISP-neutral. Those issues mean contracting the operational piece of an ISP-ISAC out to a third party. And that takes money.)
to that end :-), something is happening with a DNS ISAC. (more later.)
Good idea. Good luck. Kelly J. -- Kelly J. Cooper - Security Engineer, CISSP GENUITY - Main # - 800-632-7638 Woburn, MA 01801 - http://www.genuity.net