I should add that my original statement pertains to (obviously) the Chinese *government* alone! I am concerned about the repression that the Chinese people experience, and the basic freedoms that they lack. As far as 'China hate' is concerned- this definately doesn't apply to me- many of my friends are from mainland China, Taiwan, and Hong Kong. I lived for many years in the area, and speak pretty passable Mandarin myself (was pretty fluent, but it has deteriorated a bit, I'm afraid!). So, love the Chinese people, their culture, and history - resent the Chinese government's repression (though I personally believe the Hu Jin Tao *may* turn out to be a great improvement on leaders such as Jiang Zemin, Deng Xiaoping, and obviously Mao Zedong- I hear that Hu Jin Tao even met Hu Yaobang's widow, and plans a commemoration in the Great Hall of the People!!).
From: Joseph S D Yao <jsdy@center.osis.gov> To: Gadi Evron <ge@linuxbox.org> CC: nanog@merit.edu Subject: Re: OT: Yahoo- apparently now an extension of the Chinese govt secret police.... Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 17:38:17 -0400
On Thu, Sep 08, 2005 at 12:07:41AM +0200, Gadi Evron wrote:
Personally, I see doing business in China about as logical as, say, giving 430 6th graders laptops with Internet access, and expecting them to pay attention in the classroom... Oh, and cutting the sports programs to afford those laptops. Man, if someone had given me a laptop in 6th grade, I would have sold it!
Basic Trade: Some countries have an abundance of one thing while they lack another.
So, what they have too much of is cheap, and too little of, is costly.
It goes crazy from that point.
China has a lot of cheap stuff and a lot of cheap labor, and importing from China and/or manufacturing in China is good business.
To work in China, one of the biggest markets in the world, you follow China's rules. If you don't like the rules you don't have to.
But what you guys spew out is China-hate. Is that the kind of propaganda you get fed in schools?
I am happy we've been able to discuss this like adults, here on NANOG. After all, this is about human networking.
I do not hate myself or any other Chinese people.
I do hate the lack of respect for human rights shown by the mainland Chinese government, and the slave labor prisons otherwise known as "cheap labor". And the lack of self-respect that allows others to turn a blind eye to this for their own profit.
-- Joe Yao ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This message is not an official statement of OSIS Center policies.