We can't get people to use passwords judiciously (create them at all for WiFi, change them, use more than one, etc.) and now you want them to manage networks? ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randy Fischer" <randy.fischer@gmail.com> To: "Mike Hammett" <nanog@ics-il.net> Cc: "North American Network Operators Group" <nanog@nanog.org> Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2015 9:34:16 PM Subject: Re: Nat On Sun, Dec 20, 2015 at 10:15 PM, Mike Hammett < nanog@ics-il.net > wrote: Most people couldn't care less and just want the Internet on their device to work. Well, if the best practice for CPE routers included as a matter of course the subnets "connected to internet", "local only (e.g. IoT)" and "guest network", and if they just worked, then they wouldn't mind that either. A friend of mine used to refer to this as 'refrigerator consciousness" - he was a gearhead, so it was a pejorative. Instead, I think of it as a design goal. -Randy Fischer