On 6/14/16 1:30 PM, Matt Peterson wrote:
On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 11:18 AM, Daniel Golding <dgolding@gmail.com> wrote:
Matt is being coy, for some reason. He didn't like Dave Temkin's talk about IXP costs. I listened very carefully and did not hear any specific members or people targeted - only organizations and companies.
As noted earlier in the thread, the specific presentation isn't my interest here - I actually enjoyed the talk and agree with many of the points stated. What made me uncomfortable was peer IXP's feeling uncomfortable and even a college immersion participant asking "is NANOG always such a threatening environment?".
Nothing was threatening, it was debate. Sometimes debate is heated, but that was not even heated debate. If you were offended, grow a thicker skin. You don't have a right against offense and much thought provoking discussion can be offensive to some people. I thought it was great to see some back and forth. To the college student, this was debate in it's purist form. There are no "free speech zones" here.
Organizations and companies are members of our greater community, even if they don't technically have a membership role. At this morning's membership meeting - it was restated that NANOG is highly dependent on sponsorships (rarely do we see such financial contributions from individuals that would be enough to support NANOG). It would be a shame to loose that income source when only minor content guidelines could be made.
I'd rather lose a sponsorship than restrict our debate. Censorship is evil, prior restraint is just as bad.
I'm sorry Dan, but this sort of "old boys network" attitude has gone on for way too long in NANOG. I've already received 13 off list responses "well said", "nicely done", "finally a reality check", etc. I'm not at all suggesting bashing should go away, as you note - that is a paramount feature of NANOG. Instead the question is when is it appropriate to shame members of the industry and how do we frame that in an professional manner (I realize you may have challenges in such a demonstration) .
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