Jay, While I am not a supporter of Carnivore, I did have the...privilege, let's say, of being served with a court order to install one, several years back. This was before it was quite public, except amongst the extremely paranoid. Although it creeps me out in principle (which, BTW, did not seem to bother the assigned FBI agents at all :), it was designed in a way so that it would not effect the traffic of the network it was being connected to. And believe me - I tried very hard to find a good reason not to connect it, as the court order gave an out, if it would damage or degrade our network. I was unable to find any way that it would degrade that network, despite my best efforts. Remember - those utilizing this device feel quite strongly that it should not be detectable. This follows from the principle that, when bugging a restaurant filled with Mafioso, a boom mike dropped from the ceiling may be a dead give-away. - Daniel Golding -----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu]On Behalf Of Jay Fenello Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 3:26 PM To: nanog@merit.edu Subject: Yahoogroups and Carnivore As of yesterday, the performance of Yahoogroup's has degraded from a couple minutes, to a couple of hours between posting and distribution. It is rumored that this is due to Carnivore being installed at major ISPs throughout the country. Any insights? Jay. +++ Jay Fenello, Internet Coaching http://www.Fenello.com ... 678-585-9765 http://www.YourWebPartner.com ... Web Support http://www.AligningWithPurpose.com ... for a Better World ----------------------------------------------------------- "A new civilization is emerging in our lives, and blind men everywhere are trying to suppress it." -- Alvin Toffler