Sean: I would wish that at least the major service providers would meet in some smoke filled room and get to a fate sharing mindset and conclude "we will fix the joint problem." I have heard there are some rooms available now at WPAFB? Right next to all the archived UFOs? A good part of the problem is a questionable mindset in a rather young commercial environment. There is no Fed daddy any more, and I suspect that you would not want one either. So, who is driving a global collaboration? Has to be you and your pals. I do not see another choice. Neither the Feds, not the IETF, ISoc, whoever, will fix it for you. And NANOG is waaayyyys to weak and can't quite get things together itself. I routinely see high packet losses, the environment, from what I see, has severely degraded to what it was, say, a year ago. I submit it also has significantly grown and we have many more cooks in the kitchen, but, as ill as they are defined, we cannot even keep our old standards up. I still believe y'all got the Internet on a silver plate, and just need to fix things up. I suspect at least 80% of the problem is non-technical, but abministrative and mindset. If those 80% could be resolved to a somewhat high degree, I suspect we will find solutions for the technical problems. Not over night, I am sure, but something we could plan for. Unfortunately, the problem is too big to be resolved solely by the engineers. Takes more than just intelligence.