I don't think the conversation is based around the method by which information is intercepted. I hope the conversation is aligned with its reasoning for disclosure - the American people stopping a government who is known for abusing it's power. Obviously this does not mean physically stopping them, but I imagine most people know what motivates their state and national political officials. I still wonder why Mr. Snowden hasn't dropped more damaging information, it would seem his sworn enemy has made their feelings somewhat clear. Sent from my Mobile Device. -------- Original message -------- From: Christopher Morrow <morrowc.lists@gmail.com> Date: 07/15/2013 7:34 AM (GMT-08:00) To: Valdis Kletnieks <Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu> Cc: nanog list <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Re: Office 365..? how Microsoft handed the NSA access to encrypted messages On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 10:11 AM, <Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu> wrote:
On Sun, 14 Jul 2013 15:45:26 -0500, Aaron Wendel said:
We (ISPs) are all compelled to provide information from time to time under a court order. The PRISM program is voluntary.
Ask the ex-CEO of Qwest how "voluntary" that sort of stuff is.
it REALLY depends on what 'prisim' is... seen in one light, the program is 'just' isp/asp people who agree to permit FISA requests to be satisfied via: "scp files from fisa.isp.net with key fingerprint 0xasdasdasd" of course, the other way to read it (as the news would like us to believe) is as: "plug nsa ethernet into eth1 of all servers and routers, kthxbi!" more details would certainly make this whole conversation less alamist and more rational. -chris