Yes, selling to or being taken over by Cogent IS synonymous with going out of business. Its one of those signs that your business plan didn't work out quite the way you intended, right up there with the repo man repossessing your core routers, or your paycheck bouncing. I'm not trying to crack on Cogent or anything - buying up distressed companies is part of their model, and has worked for others. - Dan On Fri, 25 Apr 2003, Todd A. Blank wrote:
Correct me if I am wrong, but the FiberNet to which you are referring in 60 Hudson is a different "FiberNet" than the one that was headquartered in Columbus, OH and recently sold to Cogent. As far as I know, they (the FiberNet in Columbus) are not out of business, unless selling to or being taken over by Cogent is synonymous with "going out of business" :-)
This is not in defense or support of either of these organizations. It is merely a clarification of the facts. Maybe Drew is trying a new variation on the "Joe Job" thing :-)
Sincerely,
Todd A. Blank IPOutlet LLC
-----Original Message----- From: Drew Weaver [mailto:drew.weaver@thenap.com] Sent: Friday, April 25, 2003 12:57 PM To: 'Jeffrey Meltzer' Cc: 'nanog@merit.edu' Subject: RE: 60 Hudson
This might explain why fiber net went out of business and sold to cogent??
-Drew
-----Original Message----- From: Jeffrey Meltzer [mailto:jeffrey@villageworld.com] Sent: Friday, April 25, 2003 10:32 AM To: nanog@merit.edu Subject: Re: 60 Hudson
Quick followup, apparently the current issue i'm having with them is a "bad oc48 card" (again, shocker), and they don't have one in stock, and had to put a "rush order" in for a new one...You'd think a carrier would keep this sort of thing in stock. Went down late yesterday afternoon, and with this being Friday, i'm sure this won't be fixed until late Monday.
Use this as an indicator before choosing FiberNet :)
Jeff
-- Jeffrey Meltzer Network Services Manager ICS/VillageNet 631.218.0700
On Fri, Apr 25, 2003 at 09:42:22AM -0400, Jeffrey Meltzer wrote:
As someone who uses FiberNet in 60 Hudson (and ethernet link back to
Broadway) i'd say avoid them like the plague. In the ~6 months that i've had this circuit (aparently it's provisioned over an OC48), it's gone down at least 4 times, possibly more, sometimes for upwards of 12 hours at a time (starts at 10% packet loss, then just keeps growing). Their answer every times has been "bad OC48 card". I don't know whether that's just the
they're feeding me (I have a feeling it is), or their hardware vendor is just garbage, but they don't appear to have the ability to keep this circuit up for more than 3 weeks at a time.
At one point they sold us on upgrading it from Ethernet to FastE, we said ok maybe that will be better. However, they took down the 10M link at around 9pm on a Friday night, and by 7pm Sunday night they hadn't had the 100M
25 line link up
yet so we just told them to forget it...
Since the circuit is just backup, i've been testing FiberNet as fo late. Yesterday, after I started seeing packet loss I waited at least 2 hours to call them, to see if they'd notice the issue themselves. Of course as usual they didn't.
I'm fairly sure i'm the only customer they are providing this service to between 25B and 60H, otherwise for sure they'd know by know (unless they are dedicating a full OC48 to my 10M link, which would be a whole other story itself).
I'm unsure, however, if this is how they provision service inside (suite to suite) 60 Hudson, it'd be fairly strange if they did, but FiberNet is turning out to be a fairly strange company.
..just my experience :)
JEFF
-- Jeffrey Meltzer Network Services Manager ICS/VillageNet 631-218-0700
On Wed, 16 Apr 2003, Simon Lockhart wrote:
Speaking to Level3, they're saying that the Fibernet suite on the 1st floor is the best place for interconnects to other suites in the building.