I would hope that the working with the team aspect would have been have been handled BEFORE you spend time on this. Let HR do it, then check if they did it right because they screw it up at times. I have been overridden twice in hiring decisions over the years by my boss. Both of them lived to regret that action. Both were unsuitable because the person had character and personality flaws that made them unsuitable for any job except working more than 20 miles from Ted Kaminski. Ralph Brandt Communications Engineer HP Enterprise Services Telephone +1 717.506.0802 FAX +1 717.506.4358 Email Ralph.Brandt@pateam.com 5095 Ritter Rd Mechanicsburg PA 17055 -----Original Message----- From: Jeroen van Aart [mailto:jeroen@mompl.net] Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 4:05 PM To: NANOG list Subject: Re: Programmers with network engineering skills John Mitchell wrote:
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I would wholeheartedly agree with this, but I believe its worse than
teaching process is one of learning to program like a monkey, monkey see monkey do. People are no longer taught to think for themselves, but instead taught to program in a specific language (PHP, Java, rarely C or C++ any more, C#, or VB) and that is all they know. I don't believe this is a failing with the lecturers but with the fundamental change in attitudes to programming.
The story of Mel comes to mind (one of my favourite): http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/story-of-mel.html http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/R/Real-Programmer.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brainfuck ) since this gives people a chance to show they can program rather than being able to tell me "I know PHP" or "I know C", suprisingly very few newer programmers can
I think someone being able to quickly understand brainfuck and write usable code in it may be smart, but I don't think it's necessarily a sure sign of a potentially productive employee that "fits well in the team". Greetings, Jeroen -- Earthquake Magnitude: 3.5 Date: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 20:15:32 UTC Location: Channel Islands region, California Latitude: 33.9042; Longitude: -119.4195 Depth: 8.60 km