Anyway it's better do not touch this heap of troubles named ORBS. Those who wanted did protected themself by filtering them out; if you open some kind of lawsuite it force them to change the provider, not more - and cause sysadmins to protect themselves once more... Don't trouble troubles and troubles don't trouble you -:). I do not want discuss if ORBS is good or bad - it EXIST. On Fri, 7 Jan 2000, William Allen Simpson wrote:
Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2000 23:02:47 -0500 From: William Allen Simpson <wsimpson@greendragon.com> To: nanog@merit.edu Subject: Re: Netgate.net.nz/ORBS spam colusion
Dean Anderson wrote:
I would like to get your opinions on this.
My opinion is that you should sue them vigorously -- and lose. This would help the rest of us immensely by providing a solid precedent for common carrier liability regarding the activities of our subscribers.
My technical evaluation is that you were discovered to be operating an open relay, you have been notified that you are operating an open relay, and have failed to secure your open relay. Thus, through your own deliberate action, the publication that you operate an open relay constitutes an invitation to use the open relay. Your failure to enforce secure authorization practices is negligent, and you have failed to abate a public nuisance.
Whether your threat to encourage illegal penetration of another's system is criminal should be brought to the proper authorities for evaluation.
I'm sure that many of us would be happy to testify on behalf of Netgate.
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