I think we are in agreement. I am assuming that people will want to "touch" the TOS byte when they "create" a packet. I am also assuming that NANOG, as a group, would want to support "end-to-end" Internet services. That seems to imply that the NANOG people would endorse the notion of "what goes in comes out". That arrangement encourages "stability". It seems odd that we have all of these ICANN people running around telling everyone that the "stability" of the Internet needs to be preserved, and then on the other hand, people are flippantly claiming to have total disregard for the contents of packets as they transit the IPv4 "cloud". To top it off, some companies apparently want to be seen as "proud" or "cool" for changing the contents of customer's packets. ...and then want to be called...."real operators"...go figure... Jim Fleming http://www.unir.com Mars 128n 128e ----- Original Message ----- From: Jesper Skriver <jesper@skriver.dk> To: Daniel Golding <dan@netrail.net> Cc: JIM FLEMING <jfleming@anet.com>; <klensin@jck.com>; <mcade@att.com>; Bellovin,Steven M (Steve) - ALRES <smb@att.com>; <nanog@nanog.org> Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 3:08 PM Subject: Re: Does AT&T provide IPv4HT ?
And I could add, the ones that doesn't touch the TOS byte today, will probably do it tomorrow ...
/Jesper
On Tue, Nov 21, 2000 at 03:04:51PM -0500, Daniel Golding wrote:
All together now... "No one cares, Jim".
- Dan Golding
-----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu]On Behalf Of JIM FLEMING Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 2:28 PM To: klensin@jck.com; mcade@att.com; Bellovin,Steven M (Steve) - ALRES Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Does AT&T provide IPv4HT ?
Does AT&T provide, "end-to-end" IPv4 IP Header Transport ? ....with the TOS field untouched ?
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