My dad told once me they could indict a ham sandwich. I never really knew what meant.. A law does not mean an automatic grant of constitutionality. I'm all for following laws, but at what point does the public just say.. The threat isn't large enough to warrant a protcologist visit via NSA to see if you've been a good boy. I'm innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonably doubt by a jury of my peers, it doesn't work any other way. You either respect the document that establishes basic principals for this land, or you do not. As I said before.. Snowden would have had a world wife frenzy of activity had he included "facebook is going to a pay model" instead of legit information about national war crimes. Sent from my Mobile Device. -------- Original message -------- From: Sam Moats <sam@circlenet.us> Date: 09/06/2013 10:56 AM (GMT-08:00) To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: The US government has betrayed the Internet. We need to take it back The problem being is when you do have a provider that appears to be secure and out of reach, think lavabit, that provider will not survive for long. The CALEA requirements, and Patriot Act provisions will force them into compliance. There only options are to: Disobey the law, unacceptable in my opinion Close down services, noble but I need to eat and you probably want to keep getting email Compromise your principles and obey the law, the path often choosen. Sam Moats On 2013-09-06 13:20, Nicolai wrote:
On Fri, Sep 06, 2013 at 02:27:32PM +0000, Naslund, Steve wrote:
If everyone cancelled their gmail accounts, stopped using Google search, and stopped paying for Google placement and ads, their stock would go to zero nearly overnight. Again, no one seems to care about the issue enough to do this because I have seen no appreciable backlash against these companies.
I think Joe 6mbps sitting at home reads that everything he uses has been subverted. He doesn't know what alternatives exist, and doesn't have the technical knowledge neccessary to find them on his own. And faced with a false choice -- stop using the Internet, or continue using it as he knows how -- he chooses the one that retains his ability to communicate with family and friends and keep up on the things he cares about.
Schneier is saying we need to build better options for Joe 6mbps, competing with the PRISM-compatable services, so that privacy-respecting services become known and commonplace.
Nicolai