Tim, My point is eluding you... Spam is in the mouth of the taster (to blast the Bard). We do not need consensus for *me* to view the continued barage of the NANOG list with this topic as a clear example of spamming. So we have a bit of a quandry, don't we? Who and how many get to decide what is Spam and what is Treat? (an alternate brand of similar "luncheon meat" for the non-US enduring this) Any attempt to make rules must address this first and foremost. And I humbly suggest that such an effort will go onto the rocks right there. As for why not NANOG? I have no interest in pursuing this but also have on intention of dropping off NANOG until this dies down. Further, I don't see a groundswell of support by North American Network Operators (everything but the Group - and that's the point). If com-priv wishes to grind the grist of this topic until the particles are invisible, please, be my guest. Com-priv has a long history of chewing bones 'til the marrow is long-gone. Just please take the bread and mayonaise elsewhere. Cordially, -mo PS - appologies to NANOG for carboning on this. It will be my last one on this topic.