To a degree the problem is ability to reach proper persons. I'd like to be able to enter as# or ip and immediatly get email for a tech who knows what to do. Radb is supposed to provide some of these functionalities, so does ip whois, so does dns whois. Usually one of these will get you what you need or if nothing else, youd'd look at AS traceroute and contact the upstream. Reality is we do have hierchical structure in ip & as assignments/allocations: IANA->RIR->LIR->ISP->END-USER but currect information exchange is only possible at one level (i.e RIR should know how to contact LIR, ISP should know how to contact END-USER). A lot smaller hierchy is with AS numbers - IANA->RIR->END-USER. I guess I forgot about all this in my proposal but I'll be sure to clarify that when new assignment is received ARIN should notify not only their IP subscriber members and end-users (ip assignments) customers but also all those listed as contacts for ASNs (removing duplicate emails gathered from all the sources, of course). Unfortunetly ASN contact information is one of the least "maintained" as far as ARIN data goes. And too bad... In my opinion fairly good way to solve the problem would be to make sure that ASN contact info is up to date for all RIRs and when new global assignments are made than IANA makes the announcement and RIRs pass it along to their AS contacts and as backup through longer ip path. I'm fairly certain if info on who to contact was up to date at RIRs, the reachibility of this would be well over 99% and number of blackholes for users of new ip block would be very small. On Tue, 11 Mar 2003, Alec H. Peterson wrote:
--On Tuesday, March 11, 2003 16:47 -0500 Randy Bush <randy@psg.com> wrote:
so let's see how much of a kludge we can make to show how clever we are.
How about if we all chip in to hire a bunch of out of work consultants to fly to the NOCs of the various backbones who are being boneheaded to educate them with a clue-by-four?
Alec
-- Alec H. Peterson -- ahp@hilander.com Chief Technology Officer Catbird Networks, http://www.catbird.com