On October 8, 2019 at 23:51 owen@delong.com (Owen DeLong) wrote: (responding to my P.S.)
P.S. My prediction?
The world's major telcos et al, having had enough of various problems, from address exhaustion to non-stop security disasters, and the chaotic responses, propose and begin implementing an alternative. And that won't be through the IETF or similar.
I tend to doubt it.
While I don’t discount what you say about telcos below, the thing to remember is that insisted that VOIP would never displace TDM in the average enterprise.
When was the last time you saw a business phone system using TDM and not IP phones?
Sorry, I was referring to telcos as the major so-called "tier 1" and long line providers, the cell phone service providers (along with the likes of comcast but there aren't many like that), and in many countries the monopoly providers of the whole, pardon the expression, cloud of comm services, rather than their voice function which has largely become just another app. The big capitalization and generally government embedded infrastructure players. The problem is two-fold. First they (the collective group I describe) honestly believe they can manage large-scale engineering projects w/o the help of a lot of volunteers beyond /fait accompli/ -- please stamp this new technology we collectively have agreed to as a "standard". Compare and contrast 5G for example. Second are the liability issues. They may generally manage to escape direct liability e.g. for business damage due to address exhaustion or security problems etc but insurance companies, banks, et al, can't and those are big players with sway over the "telcos" to do something about services they are paying collectively many billions per month for and incurring damages from. -- -Barry Shein Software Tool & Die | bzs@TheWorld.com | http://www.TheWorld.com Purveyors to the Trade | Voice: +1 617-STD-WRLD | 800-THE-WRLD The World: Since 1989 | A Public Information Utility | *oo*