Hi, Blake:

1)    " so it's not a chore to tell what thread you're even replying to?   ":    I am lost by your statement. I start each of my reply by quoting a phrase or sentence of the message that I am responding to. To be sure the original message in included, I copy the last message following what I am writing. I also prefix it with the forum message tag such as in this case "NANOG Digest, Vol 170, Issue 20 Message: 33 ". This should be enough for anyone to follow in the latest exchange, as well as tracing it back in history from the NANOG Digest, if interested. Anything more could I do to ease your efforts without beginning to create a long tail to a thread?

2)    " ... a standards compliant mail client ...   ":    Please name the "standards" and list a couple software that comply with it. This is a topic that I am actually very interested in studying because eMails these days come in too many formats / styles. Please teach me.

Thanks,


Abe (2022-03-21 12:20)



On 2022-03-20 19:01, Blake Dunlap wrote:
Can you get a standards compliant mail client so it's not a chore to tell what thread you're even replying to?

On Fri, Mar 18, 2022, 11:44 Abraham Y. Chen <aychen@avinta.com> wrote:

Dear Borg:

1)    " ... I dont see a way of extending IPv4 without making it a new protocol.  ... new IP protocol that is much more similar to IPv4, just extends address space. ... ":    I believe that you will be pleasantly surprised at the proposal summarized by the the below whitepaper. It proposes an overlay architecture over the current Internet. As such, assignable IPv4 addresses are extended without the baggage of the current Internet and no new protocol. To begin the deployment, all need be done is "disabling the program code that has been disabling the use of the 240/4 netblock" in routers. 

    https://www.avinta.com/phoenix-1/home/RevampTheInternet.pdf

2)    The "transition" will be mostly transparent from ordinary users' point of view, because IoTs do not need be reprogrammed. Please feel free to ask me to describe specific issues that you may come across.

Regards,


Abe (2022-03-18 12:43)



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NANOG Digest, Vol 170, Issue 20

Message: 33
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2022 09:36:40 +0100 (CET)
From: borg@uu3.net
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: V6 still not supported
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.2203180928500.16585@cube>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII

While Im dont like IPv6, I see it as a bad idea.
>From my knowledge I dont see a way of extending IPv4 without making it
a new protocol. It was not designed that way.

What I would LOVE to see that someone will pop in with new IP protocol
that is much more similar to IPv4, just extends address space and fixes
some well know issues. (for example remove netmask and use prefixlen/CIDR).

Other importand aspect is some kind of IPvX -> IPv4 interop, so you can
quickly put clients into new protocol and they have access to entire IPv4
internet out of the box.

Also, we need to please enterprises so we need largish RFC1918 space too.

Just my 2 cents again 


---------- Original message ----------

From: Matt Hoppes <mattlists@rivervalleyinternet.net>
To: Joe Maimon <jmaimon@jmaimon.com>, bzs@theworld.com,
    Tom Beecher <beecher@beecher.cc>
Cc: NANOG <nanog@nanog.org>
Subject: Re: V6 still not supported
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2022 23:34:19 -0500

At this point I would *love* to see IPv4 get extended, a software patch applied
to devices, and IPv6 die a quick painless death.


Its not impossible to envision that IPv4 does not ever go away but actually
gets extended in such a way that it obsoletes IPv6. The longer this drags out
the less implausible it seems.

Joe

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