Dan Collins wrote:
On Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 12:43 AM, Michelle Sullivan <matthew@sorbs.net> wrote:
Emailing random non-existent email addresses (such as webmaster@sorbs.net) will earn you a listing...
webmaster@* isn't "random", it's a fairly standard way to reach the administrator of a service. A failure to support that on your part does not constitute abuse on my part.
--Dan
Feel free to point out the RFC/STD/BCP that states that (yes, there is one for abuse@ and postmaster@.. last time I checked there wasn't any mention of webmaster@ - both abuse@ and postmaster@ are valid addresses that go to real people, neither will respond to any type of delisting requests.) FWIW, you get an error on the SORBS website you get the email address to reach the administrators, it is not webmaster@, it's a lot more um... appropriate. SORBS gets messages to a lot of um "Standard" email addresses (eg sales@, marketing@, legal@, www@, root@, etc) which don't exist (and several that do exist or used to, eg noc@, support@, help@).. which I do smile at as it seems people who should have more sense, just don't. Every email address published for SORBS goes to a real person either directly or via RT (ticket type tracking system) and there are quite a few published email addresses... using something that is not published is not likely to get to a person and is most likely abuse. webmaster@ has never been a valid email address at SORBS and previously when people have commented on not getting a response I have indicated that it is not and has never been a valid address (and IIRC I have mentioned that on NANOG before).... Yet people still use it... Addresses that used to exist and are not to be used any more, either re-direct to the appropriate contact or reject at the MX with an appropriate reason message. Everything else is fair game for the spam collectors. Regards, Michelle -- Vulnerabilities are weaknesses associated with an organisations assets that maybe exploited by a threat causing unwanted incidents. http://www.mhix.org/