When staying at Homestead a few years back, they would close my Internet connection, because I was downloading movies via peer to peer. It took me a while and escalating to a relatively competent network engineer to figure it out: "Mate, I don't have any p2p software installed, may be my computer is hacked, tell me what traffic you see that triggers your system, so I can investigate". I came down that they did not like my Skype trying to re-establish connections with contacts in Asia/Pacific (where I lived then), instead of the USA. I also organized conferences, and putting more than 20 people (with various OS/hacked machines) on the same access point, is not standard operations as in a company, you need some experience with that, something that some ISPs (who were sponsoring the Internet) failed to understand. On 2/9/13 7:55 PM, "Constantine A. Murenin" <mureninc@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear NANOG@,
In light of the recent discussion titled, "The 100 Gbit/s problem in your network", I'd like to point out that smaller operators and end-sites are currently very busy having and ignoring the 10 Mbit/s problem in their networks.
Hotels in major metro areas, for example. Some have great connectivity (e.g. through high-capacity microwave links), and always have a latency of between 5ms and 15ms to the nearest internet exchange, and YouTube and Netflix just work, always, and nearly flawlessly, and in full HD.
Others think that load-balancing 150+ rooms with Fast Ethernet and WiFi in every room, plus a couple of conference/meeting rooms (e.g. potentially more than a single /24 worth of all sorts of devices) on a couple of independent T1 and ADSL links is an acceptable practice. Yes, a T1 and an ADSL, with some kind of Layer 3 / 4 balancing! This is at a time when it would not be uncommon to travel with an Apple TV or a Roku. And then not only even YouTube and cbs.com don't work, but an average latency of above 500ms is not unusual in the evenings, and ssh is practically unusable. (Or sometimes they do the balancing wrong, and the ssh connections simply break every minute due to the broken balancer.)
And this happens even with boutique hotels like the Joie de Vivre brand in the Silicon Valley (Wild Palms on El Camino Real in Sunnyvale has an absolutely horrible bandwidth even when it's half empty), or with brand-new properties like Hyatt Place in the hometown of a rather famous ILEC that has the whole town glassed up with fiber-optics (the place is less than 2 years old, and Google Maps still shows it as being constructed, yet independent T1 and ADSL links from two distinct ILECs is the only connectivity they have!).
How should end-users deal with such broadband incompetence; why do local carriers allow businesses to abuse their connections and their own customers in such ways; why do the sub-contracted internet support companies design and support such broken-by-design setups?
When you are staying at a 3* hotel, should you have no expectations that you'll be getting at least a 3Mbps pipe and at least an under 100ms average latency, and won't be getting a balancer that would be breaking up your ssh sessions?
Best regards, Constantine.