Back to my original complaint.... The people that I have issue with are not the highschool dropouts. These are people in the NOC supposedly versed in routing protocols. I know the requirements for 2nd level engineers and they invariably include a CE or an EE degree and several years real experience. Why then would a technician call me back in regards to a ticket I opened through a BGP_specific maildrop and not know what BGP was? The only reason I can fathom is disorganization. There are some NSP's out there that are similar if not very similar to the "highschool engineer". There should be more policy behind their practice. Michael Heller Sr. Systems Engineer Earthweb, Inc. 212.448.4175 mikeh@earthweb.com On 22 Aug 1999, Paul Vixie wrote:
ekgermann@cctec.com (Eric Germann) writes:
I think today most are a little too liberal with the term engineer. Those of us who went the traditional route of education and earned the title as an ME, EE or CE sometimes bristle that we're lumped in with the guy who just passed his CNE from the books.
hmmm. then, how do you feel about being lumped in with highschool dropouts who have no certification whatsoever? -- Paul Vixie <vixie@mibh.net>
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