At 7:55 PM -0500 1/22/98, Steve Sobol wrote:
On Wed, Jan 21, 1998 at 05:24:30PM -0500, Dean Anderson wrote:
These are crimminal statues, and apply to "providers of wire communications services".
Read these:
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/2510.shtml http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/2511.shtml
Cite legal precdents.
I presume you mean cases where this law has been applied. I will look that up. But even if there were no cases, the law can still be applied to the first person caught violating them. I'm starting to feel like I have to seek out some spammers and help them collect evidence for a crimminal complaint, in order to defend my honor, or at least my sanity from claims to the contrary. Perhaps those network providers who think (and flame) that it can't possibly apply to their actual blocking, will send me the names and netblocks of the spammers they are blocking. They should write that the blocked packets are coming from a peer for which they have a peering agreement with, and would otherwise be expected to transport those packets to their destinations. Write that the packets are blocked because they are sent from spammers and contain spam. Or just write that they are blocked for an arbitrary reason. I'll take the evidence and get a crimminal complaint, thus either proving the application of the law. Or disproving it, beyond mere speculation. "Put up or shut up", as it were. I would also point out that the definition of "intercept" in 2510 is substantially *looser* than the dictionary definition. Just reading and passing it on qualifies as an "intercept" according to 2510. You don't actually have to block it to be intercepting according to the law. You're making my point, while trying to disagree. I might be wrong, but no one has yet given an explanation of how this law doesn't apply. Claims that it only applies to phone companies seem to definitely be wrong. But there is one way to find out for sure whether it applies to anti-spammer network providers. I'm not a spammer. Nor am I an anti-spammer. I'm for law and order; Laws that apply equally to everyone, and can't be violated without punishment when it suits some private purpose or agenda. I claim that crimminals are of low moral fibre, and I'm willing to test who the crimminals really are. I'll expect my postal mailbox to be full next week: P.O. Box 7286, Nashua, NH 03060. I expect to find letters from the flamers. --Dean ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Plain Aviation, Inc dean@av8.com LAN/WAN/UNIX/NT/TCPIP http://www.av8.com ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++