I have hard experience with SDSL vs straight DS1 service. SDSL has three-four different companies in the picture. You only get to talk to the first. Period. Everything beyond is 2nd hand. They all have finger splints from overuse; pointing to each other. I have had Verizonal leave a DS-3 feed to a DSLAM in loopback and go home when they ran out of OT budget. DS-1 service is a horse of a different color. Bells go off when they go down. You can raise hell, but I never have had to... -- A host is a host from coast to coast.................wb8foz@nrk.com & no one will talk to a host that's close........[v].(301) 56-LINUX Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433 is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433