Alex, your description of how the MAE ATM NAPs work is not quite in line with either my understanding or the ATMF traffic management specs. As you state, the connections to the NAPS is ABR, but you then say "with PCR being twice SCR". If the connection is ABR (and it is), there is not PCR or SCR. There is only MCR (minimum cell rate). This really means that you are guaranteed that the bandwidth reserved by the MCR will be available to you. Any traffic beyond this is treated on a best-effort basis, exactly as if it was UBR. The only limit on what you may inject (above MCR) is the line rate and there is no guarantee that any of this traffic will make it through the fabric. The best way to think of MCR is that it is much like CIR on a frame relay circuit and that an MCR of zero, like a CIR of zero, can be a practical and functional connection. At least a functional as a UBR PVC. Since the MCR is committed bandwidth, it really can't properly support over-booking. The sum of all of the MCRs for all of the PVCs connected to the line should not exceed the capacity of the line, 96000 CPS for DS-3 (PLCP), 353207 CPS for OC-3, or 1412830 CPS for OC-12. But, beyond these limits, any further traffic injected on any PVC will be forwarded on a best-effort basis exactly as it would if the switch was running UBR. A big problem is that many of the folks at the MAEs don't seem to realize this and set the MCRs to excessively large values. How high they should be set depends on how critical it is that a given connection run without drops under peak loads. For most of our peerings (not those with the major NSPs where we have multi-megabits flowing most of the time) we set the MCR on our PVCs to a rather small value. I typically use 2600 CPS or about 1 Mbps and these circuits typically run very clean. Don't wish for the Ameritech UBR model (though I am very happy with the AADS NAP). Educate people that they should not over-provision their PVCs. If the port is running idle, they are are simply wasting valuable (and expensive) capacity. And, if your router does not support the specification of ABR PVCs with an MCR, keep this in mind when specifying PCR and SCR, since these values are not really meaningful in an ABR world. I typically set PCR to line rate and SCR to MCR with a 100 cell MBS, but YMMV and I have not done enough testing to have confidence that they are near optimal, only that they work pretty well. R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer Energy Sciences Network (ESnet) Ernest O. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (Berkeley Lab) E-mail: oberman@es.net Phone: +1 510 486-8634