Apologies for forking yet another thread from one which I myself have been largely ignoring. AFAICT, though, most posts have shown little interest in combining different approaches: * Provide a "default" sandbox. * Allow unrestricted access -- perhaps after a quiz, perhaps when a user activates a form. * Let IDS trigger sandbox mode. * Provide IDS-triggered-sandbox override for those who agree in writing to <blah>. * Anyone in the IDS-proof class who spews filth deserves to be fined. * Use different IP ranges for different service classes. Flag in rwhois, a special RRTYPE, or whatever suits one's fancy. (This assumes that providers could agree on a standard.) Perhaps no one tactic fixes everything. Fine. I readily admit that the above combination isn't a miracle cure. But is there a moderate chance for improvement? I think so. A substantial part of the problem is critical mass. Few networks want to be the first to take the plunge. I wonder what happens first... networks improve community spirit? government [attempts at] regulation? users get fed up and reduce Internet service consumption? Eddy -- EverQuick Internet - http://www.everquick.net/ A division of Brotsman & Dreger, Inc. - http://www.brotsman.com/ Bandwidth, consulting, e-commerce, hosting, and network building Phone: +1 785 865 5885 Lawrence and [inter]national Phone: +1 316 794 8922 Wichita _________________________________________________________________ DO NOT send mail to the following addresses : blacklist@brics.com -or- alfra@intc.net -or- curbjmp@intc.net Sending mail to spambait addresses is a great way to get blocked.