many wisps use preseem, bequant, paraqum, or libreqos.io (me). This
solves the gaming latency problem thoroughly (imho). fq_codel on
mikrotik, smart queues (ubnt), also.

It really depends, because the 'gaming latency problem' isn't a static thing.

Some games are traditional client-server communications. Clearing up local bufferbloat issues can certainly help, but if the best case RTT is 80-100ms, experiences may still not be great. 

However a non-zero number of games only use a centralized server for certain functions, and the rest of the gameplay traffic is peer to peer, with one client being selected as the host for that session. Starts to become a complete crapshoot there. 

There's also the fact that a LOT of gaming netcode is pretty bad. It's either written for a specific range of RTT , outside of which it performs terribly, or, it's complete ass to the point where kids actually try to inject latency/loss into their local network that screws with the game performance and gives them an advantage. 

On Fri, Nov 22, 2024 at 11:49 AM Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, Nov 22, 2024 at 7:55 AM Aaron Atac via NANOG <nanog@nanog.org> wrote:
>
> I can tell you this was the  problem Subspace was trying to resolve, but then went out of business.

many wisps use preseem, bequant, paraqum, or libreqos.io (me). This
solves the gaming latency problem thoroughly (imho). fq_codel on
mikrotik, smart queues (ubnt), also.

As for caching game updates, it really doesn't pay off at small scale.

> Specifically, Subspace wasn’t focused on caching video game updates and distributing those better, but rather building a network for clients to access game servers with lower rtt for a more optimal experience in multiplayer video games.
>
> WTFast was the next best thing last I heard.
> -Aaron
>
> Nov 22, 2024 at 7:37 AM by mehmet@akcin.net:
>
> > Are there a lot of gamers in rural areas? Do the rural ISPs have challenges with reaching gaming servers. I do not know if gaming or caching or both a challenge for rural isps due to being distant from population centers and possibly caches
> >
> > Mehmet
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Nov 22, 2024 at 08:32 Josh Luthman <> josh@imaginenetworksllc.com> > wrote:
> >
> >> Might want to say why.
> >>
> >> On Fri, Nov 22, 2024 at 6:50 AM Mehmet <>> mehmet@akcin.net>> > wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hello - i am looking for small ISP owners, Rural ISPs in FL, TX, NY, VA, CA (but anywhere in the world is fine).
> >>>
> >>> If anyone lurking on the list please contact me offlist
> >>>
> >>> Mehmet
> >>> +1-424-298-1903
> >>>
>


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